The Role of Nudists in the Church | Struggles of a Christian Naturist

I don’t expect my church to “commission” me to be their missionary to nudists. That commission came from our Lord Himself: “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” (Acts 1:8)

via The Role of Nudists in the Church | Struggles of a Christian Naturist.

Getting naked for God

Picture yourself as Isaiah…you have a pretty successful prophetic ministry going on, things are going well, and then all of a sudden God comes along and says, “Hey man, I’ve got a REALLY creative way to communicate what I am about to do next.”

Now I imagine Isaiah getting pretty excited about this until God says, “My creative way of communication includes you taking off all your clothes and walking around for three years.”

Personally—this is where my excitement would have ceased. Just being honest! Let me put that thought on pause though and ask this question: What if some of the bloggers that were around today would have existed back then? Can’t you just hear them now?

“I can’t believe someone who claims to know God would do something like that!”
“That is one of the most irreverent things I have ever seen.”
“There is no way he is a Christian.”
“There goes another one of those people who are trying to water down the word of God.”
You get the picture don’t you? BUT…(or I could say butt)…from the looks of things here—God is into communicating His word in a creative manner—and sometimes that communication goes against what the traditionalists would consider to be acceptable.

It’s funny—there HAD to be people taking shots at Isaiah, calling him all sorts of names—when in actuality he was one of the ONLY people in that time who actually heard the voice of the Lord.

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Modesty, is it really the womens fault?

Wikipedia starts its description of modesty as ……..
Modesty and modest have two rather different meanings. The word is used as an antonym of boastfulness; a modest person does not draw attention to their own real or supposed accomplishments and desirable attributes. Terms related to “modesty” in this sense include “humility”, “shyness”, and “simplicity”. A related usage is for some object or attribute that is, in fact, not very desirable; a “modest dwelling” would describe a hut, but not a palace.
The word is also used, more about women than men, to describe a mode of dress and deportment intended not to encourage the opposite sex; actual standards vary widely. Clothing should not reveal parts of the body that society of the time and place consider immodest. A modest woman would not behave so as to encourage the sexual attention of men. In some societies women must cover their bodies completely, viewing the world through a cloth grille, and may never talk to men who are not immediate family members; in others a fairly revealing but one-piece bathing costume is considered modest when other women wear bikinis. Modesty in dress and deportment is usually encouraged by peer pressure, although a few countries enforce rigid dress codes. In some countries, exposure of the body in breach of community standards of modesty is also considered to be public indecency, and public nudity is generally illegal in most of the world and regarded as indecent exposure. However, nudity is at times tolerated in some societies; for example, during a world naked bike ride,[1] while a lone man attempting to walk naked from south to north Britain was repeatedly imprisoned.[2].

It is interesting that 1) modesty has grown out of its original meaning to become a second meaning regarding women and their dress sense. 2) that the second meaning is focussed mostly on women, nothing is mentioned about men.

Let us just focus on the first and original meaning. This would have been the meaning of the word modesty when the Greek scriptures were translated into English. Now think of the Bible verses that use Modesty. Doesnt it throw a whole different meaning than our typical understanding of the way women dress especially this well quoted passage
“likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, “(1 Timothy 2:9 ESV)
This has little to do with sexual attractiveness, its about showing off your wealth. The early Church was passionate about serving the poor and the widowed. How would they have coped having to be compared to a gold and pearl adorned woman.

One of my favourite Bible passages about nudity is regarding King David and the way he sinned against God and the people of Israel when he procured Bathsheba as a wife.
“It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king’s house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful. (2 Samuel 11:2 ESV)”
As you read through to the end of the account, at no time is Bathsheba rebuked for being publicly naked to David. David is the one who takes all the blame for his sin.

Lets go back to the beginning, Genesis and the first sin. As I have mentioned previously, God never rebuked Adam and Eve for being naked, they were punished for disobedience. However, who blames who for the disobedience. The man blames the woman, and several thousand years later the man still blames the woman for his own personal lack of self control. Muslim, orthodox, Jew and many other religious men enforce strict clothing rules on women as a blame shift for their own lust. And in western societies, the media is exploiting this blame shift, causing women to dress scantily to be sexy in cutoffs and barely there bikinis while the men lap up the lust through advertising, media and pornography and say its all the womens fault.

I do not accuse women for my lust, though since being a Naturist I cant ever recall lusting after someone, women, no matter your body shape, colour or style, you are not to blame for the males inability to control himself sexually.

Men and women, be modest. Do not be proud or boastful, thinking of yourself better than what you are. (1 Corinthians 3:21) men, control yourself, and if you think it good and helpful, become a Naturist and see the beauty of all bodies, not just the sexual objectification of women.

Respectful comments and feedback appreciated

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Modesty, is it really the womens fault?

Wikipedia starts its description of modesty as ……..
Modesty and modest have two rather different meanings. The word is used as an antonym of boastfulness; a modest person does not draw attention to their own real or supposed accomplishments and desirable attributes. Terms related to “modesty” in this sense include “humility”, “shyness”, and “simplicity”. A related usage is for some object or attribute that is, in fact, not very desirable; a “modest dwelling” would describe a hut, but not a palace.
The word is also used, more about women than men, to describe a mode of dress and deportment intended not to encourage the opposite sex; actual standards vary widely. Clothing should not reveal parts of the body that society of the time and place consider immodest. A modest woman would not behave so as to encourage the sexual attention of men. In some societies women must cover their bodies completely, viewing the world through a cloth grille, and may never talk to men who are not immediate family members; in others a fairly revealing but one-piece bathing costume is considered modest when other women wear bikinis. Modesty in dress and deportment is usually encouraged by peer pressure, although a few countries enforce rigid dress codes. In some countries, exposure of the body in breach of community standards of modesty is also considered to be public indecency, and public nudity is generally illegal in most of the world and regarded as indecent exposure. However, nudity is at times tolerated in some societies; for example, during a world naked bike ride,[1] while a lone man attempting to walk naked from south to north Britain was repeatedly imprisoned.[2].

It is interesting that 1) modesty has grown out of its original meaning to become a second meaning regarding women and their dress sense. 2) that the second meaning is focussed mostly on women, nothing is mentioned about men.

Let us just focus on the first and original meaning. This would have been the meaning of the word modesty when the Greek scriptures were translated into English. Now think of the Bible verses that use Modesty. Doesnt it throw a whole different meaning than our typical understanding of the way women dress especially this well quoted passage
“likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, “(1 Timothy 2:9 ESV)
This has little to do with sexual attractiveness, its about showing off your wealth. The early Church was passionate about serving the poor and the widowed. How would they have coped having to be compared to a gold and pearl adorned woman.

One of my favourite Bible passages about nudity is regarding King David and the way he sinned against God and the people of Israel when he procured Bathsheba as a wife.
“It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king’s house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful. (2 Samuel 11:2 ESV)”
As you read through to the end of the account, at no time is Bathsheba rebuked for being publicly naked to David. David is the one who takes all the blame for his sin.

Lets go back to the beginning, Genesis and the first sin. As I have mentioned previously, God never rebuked Adam and Eve for being naked, they were punished for disobedience. However, who blames who for the disobedience. The man blames the woman, and several thousand years later the man still blames the woman for his own personal lack of self control. Muslim, orthodox, Jew and many other religious men enforce strict clothing rules on women as a blame shift for their own lust. And in western societies, the media is exploiting this blame shift, causing women to dress scantily to be sexy in cutoffs and barely there bikinis while the men lap up the lust through advertising, media and pornography and say its all the womens fault.

I do not accuse women for my lust, though since being a Naturist I cant ever recall lusting after someone, women, no matter your body shape, colour or style, you are not to blame for the males inability to control himself sexually.

Men and women, be modest. Do not be proud or boastful, thinking of yourself better than what you are. (1 Corinthians 3:21) men, control yourself, and if you think it good and helpful, become a Naturist and see the beauty of all bodies, not just the sexual objectification of women.

Respectful comments and feedback appreciated

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Modesty, is it really the womens fault?

Wikipedia starts its description of modesty as ……..
Modesty and modest have two rather different meanings. The word is used as an antonym of boastfulness; a modest person does not draw attention to their own real or supposed accomplishments and desirable attributes. Terms related to “modesty” in this sense include “humility”, “shyness”, and “simplicity”. A related usage is for some object or attribute that is, in fact, not very desirable; a “modest dwelling” would describe a hut, but not a palace.
The word is also used, more about women than men, to describe a mode of dress and deportment intended not to encourage the opposite sex; actual standards vary widely. Clothing should not reveal parts of the body that society of the time and place consider immodest. A modest woman would not behave so as to encourage the sexual attention of men. In some societies women must cover their bodies completely, viewing the world through a cloth grille, and may never talk to men who are not immediate family members; in others a fairly revealing but one-piece bathing costume is considered modest when other women wear bikinis. Modesty in dress and deportment is usually encouraged by peer pressure, although a few countries enforce rigid dress codes. In some countries, exposure of the body in breach of community standards of modesty is also considered to be public indecency, and public nudity is generally illegal in most of the world and regarded as indecent exposure. However, nudity is at times tolerated in some societies; for example, during a world naked bike ride,[1] while a lone man attempting to walk naked from south to north Britain was repeatedly imprisoned.[2].

It is interesting that 1) modesty has grown out of its original meaning to become a second meaning regarding women and their dress sense. 2) that the second meaning is focussed mostly on women, nothing is mentioned about men.

Let us just focus on the first and original meaning. This would have been the meaning of the word modesty when the Greek scriptures were translated into English. Now think of the Bible verses that use Modesty. Doesnt it throw a whole different meaning than our typical understanding of the way women dress especially this well quoted passage
“likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, “(1 Timothy 2:9 ESV)
This has little to do with sexual attractiveness, its about showing off your wealth. The early Church was passionate about serving the poor and the widowed. How would they have coped having to be compared to a gold and pearl adorned woman.

One of my favourite Bible passages about nudity is regarding King David and the way he sinned against God and the people of Israel when he procured Bathsheba as a wife.
“It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king’s house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful. (2 Samuel 11:2 ESV)”
As you read through to the end of the account, at no time is Bathsheba rebuked for being publicly naked to David. David is the one who takes all the blame for his sin.

Lets go back to the beginning, Genesis and the first sin. As I have mentioned previously, God never rebuked Adam and Eve for being naked, they were punished for disobedience. However, who blames who for the disobedience. The man blames the woman, and several thousand years later the man still blames the woman for his own personal lack of self control. Muslim, orthodox, Jew and many other religious men enforce strict clothing rules on women as a blame shift for their own lust. And in western societies, the media is exploiting this blame shift, causing women to dress scantily to be sexy in cutoffs and barely there bikinis while the men lap up the lust through advertising, media and pornography and say its all the womens fault.

I do not accuse women for my lust, though since being a Naturist I cant ever recall lusting after someone, women, no matter your body shape, colour or style, you are not to blame for the males inability to control himself sexually.

Men and women, be modest. Do not be proud or boastful, thinking of yourself better than what you are. (1 Corinthians 3:21) men, control yourself, and if you think it good and helpful, become a Naturist and see the beauty of all bodies, not just the sexual objectification of women.

Respectful comments and feedback appreciated

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Modesty, is it really the womens fault?

Wikipedia starts its description of modesty as ……..
Modesty and modest have two rather different meanings. The word is used as an antonym of boastfulness; a modest person does not draw attention to their own real or supposed accomplishments and desirable attributes. Terms related to “modesty” in this sense include “humility”, “shyness”, and “simplicity”. A related usage is for some object or attribute that is, in fact, not very desirable; a “modest dwelling” would describe a hut, but not a palace.
The word is also used, more about women than men, to describe a mode of dress and deportment intended not to encourage the opposite sex; actual standards vary widely. Clothing should not reveal parts of the body that society of the time and place consider immodest. A modest woman would not behave so as to encourage the sexual attention of men. In some societies women must cover their bodies completely, viewing the world through a cloth grille, and may never talk to men who are not immediate family members; in others a fairly revealing but one-piece bathing costume is considered modest when other women wear bikinis. Modesty in dress and deportment is usually encouraged by peer pressure, although a few countries enforce rigid dress codes. In some countries, exposure of the body in breach of community standards of modesty is also considered to be public indecency, and public nudity is generally illegal in most of the world and regarded as indecent exposure. However, nudity is at times tolerated in some societies; for example, during a world naked bike ride,[1] while a lone man attempting to walk naked from south to north Britain was repeatedly imprisoned.[2].

It is interesting that 1) modesty has grown out of its original meaning to become a second meaning regarding women and their dress sense. 2) that the second meaning is focussed mostly on women, nothing is mentioned about men.

Let us just focus on the first and original meaning. This would have been the meaning of the word modesty when the Greek scriptures were translated into English. Now think of the Bible verses that use Modesty. Doesnt it throw a whole different meaning than our typical understanding of the way women dress especially this well quoted passage
“likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, “(1 Timothy 2:9 ESV)
This has little to do with sexual attractiveness, its about showing off your wealth. The early Church was passionate about serving the poor and the widowed. How would they have coped having to be compared to a gold and pearl adorned woman.

One of my favourite Bible passages about nudity is regarding King David and the way he sinned against God and the people of Israel when he procured Bathsheba as a wife.
“It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king’s house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful. (2 Samuel 11:2 ESV)”
As you read through to the end of the account, at no time is Bathsheba rebuked for being publicly naked to David. David is the one who takes all the blame for his sin.

Lets go back to the beginning, Genesis and the first sin. As I have mentioned previously, God never rebuked Adam and Eve for being naked, they were punished for disobedience. However, who blames who for the disobedience. The man blames the woman, and several thousand years later the man still blames the woman for his own personal lack of self control. Muslim, orthodox, Jew and many other religious men enforce strict clothing rules on women as a blame shift for their own lust. And in western societies, the media is exploiting this blame shift, causing women to dress scantily to be sexy in cutoffs and barely there bikinis while the men lap up the lust through advertising, media and pornography and say its all the womens fault.

I do not accuse women for my lust, though since being a Naturist I cant ever recall lusting after someone, women, no matter your body shape, colour or style, you are not to blame for the males inability to control himself sexually.

Men and women, be modest. Do not be proud or boastful, thinking of yourself better than what you are. (1 Corinthians 3:21) men, control yourself, and if you think it good and helpful, become a Naturist and see the beauty of all bodies, not just the sexual objectification of women.

Respectful comments and feedback appreciated

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Genesis 3 observations

In my theological training, there is a point of going to first principles in Scripture for understanding and interpretation. Genesis 3 is the first place that nudity is mentioned, so here are some quick observations from my reading.

Now the man and his wife were both naked, but they felt no shame. (Genesis 2:25 NLT)
We are in the image of God, and we were originally nude, no shame.

At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their nakedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.
When the cool evening breezes were blowing, the man and his wife heard the LORD God walking about in the garden. So they hid from the LORD God among the trees. Then the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”
He replied, “I heard you walking in the garden, so I hid. I was afraid because I was naked.”
“Who told you that you were naked?” the LORD God asked. “Have you eaten from the tree whose fruit I commanded you not to eat?” (Genesis 3:7-11 NLT)

Who told them they were naked, not God. Adam and Eve judged themselves, their own shame led them to cover themselves. God only covered them later when they were banished.

So the LORD God banished them from the Garden of Eden, and he sent Adam out to cultivate the ground from which he had been made. After sending them out, the LORD God stationed mighty cherubim to the east of the Garden of Eden. And he placed a flaming sword that flashed back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. (Genesis 3: 23, 24 NLT)
God does not say they are banished from Eden because they are naked, they are banished because they took from the tree, disobedience.

And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them. (Genesis 3:21 ESV)
Adam and Eve were removed from Eden, no longer in the protection of God from the elements, cold etc. God gave them skins for protection, an animal skin, an animal had to be sacrificed for our sin. This action of God is the first mention of blood sacrifices that is to continue on through the old testament through to Christ. God is not ashamed of us, though we are ashamed of ourselves.

There is a teaching that its OK for a husband and wife to be the only ones to see each other naked, however, Adam and Eve are the original equivalents of marriage, yet they still covered themselves. Generally the Church also recognises the need for nakedness in medical situations, but these situations aren’t accounted for anywhere in scripture

Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths. (Genesis 3:7 ESV)
This translation as opposed to more modern translations includes the statement “made themselves loincloths”.
If nudity is sinful, then we must be more accurate and place the shame on the loins, or the genitals of men and women. Modern scripture translations have succumbed to the culture of restricting women from being top free. The breasts of neither men or women are included as shameful to Adam and Eve.

The following is copied from the website Religious Tolerance

According to one source, there are 104 references to the word “naked” and its derivatives in 87 verses of the King James Version of the Bible. But with the New International Version, a translation preferred by many conservative Christians, there are only 49 references in 47 verses. 6 The NIV translators may have tampered with the original Hebrew and Greek, perhaps because they find nudity too embarrassing.

Passages from the creation story in Genesis

There are a number of passages near the beginning of Genesis that might be considered to have a relationship to social nudism:
Genesis 2 Adam was created from mud, and Eve was created from one of Adam’s ribs. Both had remained naked in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 2:25 states: “And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” (KJV).
Genesis 3:7: “Then the eyes of both [Adam and Eve] were opened and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.” (NIV)
There is an ambiguity in the original Hebrew text over the word translated here as naked. It may be:
eromim which means to be naked, without clothes, or
arumim which means the uncovering of deceptions

Genesis and the rest of the Torah was written using only consonants, with no letters or signs indicating vowels. Thus “eromim” and “arumim” appear the same in the Hebrew text, as rmm.

The Hebrew word translated here as coverings is chagowr which literally means a belt for the waist. But some translators of the Bible into English seem to have recoiled from the thought of Eve walking around topless, wearing just a belt. The King James and Revised Standard Versions both mention “aprons” which could have covered most of their bodies. The Modern Language version describes them as “skirts”. The Living Bible mentions that they covered “themselves around the hips” The New American Standard Bible calls them “loin coverings.” The NIV translation is particularly obscure; they refer simply to “coverings” without defining what type was used. In spite of what the NIV translators wrote, it is obvious that Eve went topless.

Genesis 3:10-11: God called for Adam, who replied: “I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” God answered: “Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?” (KJV).
There are many conflicting interpretations to the significance of nudity in these passages:

Some interpret that passages as implying that Adam and Eve had once lived a sinless life. But after eating the fruit, their thoughts became selfish. They lost their unconditional, pure love for each other and began to look upon their partner as sex objects — as a body to exploit in order to satisfy their sexual appetite. Their clothing might have been intended to protect themselves from the other.
Some suggest that the act of covering of their body was a metaphor. It symbolized their real need to try to hide their sin from God.
Some feel that Adam and Eve were so embarrassed by their nudity that they had to create clothes to hide their genitals. However, that interpretation seems unlikely, because Adam and Eve would have been used to seeing each other naked continually since Eve was created. They would hardly suddenly become embarrassed in each other’s presence.
Some Christians interpret the passage as implying that once Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, sin entered the world, Adam and Eve knew felt shame because of their naked bodies, and nudity became intrinsically sinful. Adam and Eve then wished to be clothed when they became aware of their sin.
Another explanation was that the aprons would give them at least some form of physical protection when they were expelled from the Garden of Eden into a barren land. Perhaps the belts would facilitate the carrying of knives to ward off dangerous animals.
Still another interpretation of the passage is that Adam and Eve’s eating of the forbidden fruit gave them knowledge. God had created them as a type of proto-human, with their natures intermediate between that of animals and of the humans they would become. They lacked a moral sense. They had no knowledge of good and evil, and without much knowledge of themselves and their surroundings. In some magical way, the eating of the fruit brought them instant knowledge of morality: of good and bad behavior. The fruit made them fully human, It may have also brought them knowledge of how sexual intercourse can lead to procreation. They realized the tremendous magical power of sex. They decided that their sexual organs were so powerful and mysterious that they should be covered.
Religious liberals tend to interpret the first part of Genesis as a series of religious myths. They are stories of great spiritual significance, but unrelated to any historical happenings. The passage about Adam and Eve wearing a belt might simply be a myth that the author(s) included to account for the embarrassment that youth and adults often feel when they are naked in the presence of the opposite gender.
Others refer to a Pagan Babylonian religious text, the Gilgamesh epic. It contains a passage that is very close parallel to the Genesis story. It involves Enkidu and a harlot who received sexual knowledge as a result of eating the forbidden fruit. This caused them to be embarrassed at their nudity. The Epic was written many centuries before Genesis. Religious liberals generally assume that parts of Genesis were copied from The Gilgamesh epic. This would include the stories of the forbidden fruit, the clothing, and the universal flood.